Finding your Authentic Voice Training with Amanda Gifford

Amanda Gifford designs and runs courses using a mix of techniques including Circles, Authentic Relating Games, Image Theatre, Personal Story telling or Self Revelatory theatre, Dance, Voice Coaching, Relaxation, Breathing, Mudra Theatre game for eye contact and presence and her unique brand of coaching through creativity to help you find your Voice. The feedback ” Amanda is amazing!” , April 2016

Reflections on Drama Therapy in Corporate Trainings by Amanda Gifford Edit article Published on August 18, 2016

This was written in reflection on the use of Drama Therapy in Corporate Settings for a Masters in Drama Therapy student at WITS. “I have always incorporated drama therapy into my work at corporates but never called drama therapy i just use it within the workshop to facilitate experiential learning processes. So if i am running Personal Mastery or EQ or Communication or Conflict resolution or Stress Management for example then the games are great to help people to warm up to each other and get into their bodies, and keep things interactive.

I also tell clients all the time (especially at the Voice Clinic) that 80% communication is body language and so we must move our language to our bodies in order to enhance and deepen our communication so your communication is full bodied and coherent – when people are confident in their bodies they can communicate much more effectively – drama therapy assists in this.  We must do experiential processes because this grows our comfort with our body ( which is the seat of the subconscious mind – its the place that we carry our past but can also repogramme it and put in new experiences – like a garden) and once we are comfortable in our body – our communication effectiveness is enhanced.

I use a lot of Augusto Boal’s work in an Executive Coaching context helping clients to explore where they are at now, where they want to be and how to get there. This is my first session with most individual and group corporate situations and I adapt it to suite many different settings and themes…
This is one of the axis points around which I design most of my interventions. Once a person has explore these 3 things, then i design the next level of intervention around their transitional phase and what emerged as a step to get them to where they want to go.
This creates great buy in. I work around their needs… individual needs and desires and then I link it into their work. John Demartini talks alot of linking and aligning values. He does alot of coporate work internationally. The Quantum Collapse Method. He was in the movie The Secret.

What I have found is that once you get teams sharing where they are at, both personally and professionally, with eachother, this begins to create great rapport and understanding, it creates empathy and really enhances team work because everyone has a good understanding of what is really going on for the other person. It bonds people.

When people share and are vulnerable with eachother, they build good relationships and this makes a huge difference at work. It is a bit of a skill though to make sure that you don’t go too deep and too personal if the group is not comfortable with it.

I have used this method everywhere. With banks, insurance companies, business schools and its very effective.

When I have more in depth ( say 12 sessions) with a client and they agree to doing deeper work on themselves then I can bring in more drama therapy interventions. Its just they way you put it to people. Depending on how open people are you can call it interactive mind mapping or practicing communication skills.

I find there really is no resistance if its set up right and it matches whats needed and expected by the corporate and that results are delivered.
I bring in my own understanding into all workshops that I facilitate and use Drama Therapy to keep it embodied and real.
Drama Therapy ideas practices and principles are vast and can be easily applied in corporate settings. its all about packaging and then you use the drama therapy inside of the workshop to help people integrate or practice something.
People love the work that I do.
I have used Drama Therapy and Family Constellations in Innovation settings too.

I use games like mudra theatre from Authentic Relating In Power Speaking Courses which is a participant sitting in front of a group in silence just looking at the others… to practice eye contact with audience. It had a huge impact. I also use Self Revelatory theatre processes to help people explore their authentic voice. I tell people at the Voice Clinic that their inner voice emotions and wellbeing needs to be lined up with their outer voice. Once the inside is happier and focused then the outside comes more naturally. There is only so much that you can do on the outside if the inside of you is stressed and emotional. So I always link the inside work to the outside work and help people to explore their authentic voice through learning to tell their story and become more real.
This is always welcomed. I think people in corporates are craving it.

I ran a sales training course where I helped them to focus on themselves and then they became happier sales people. I always think that these people in corporates spend so much time focused on others and very little on themselves that once they can take care of themselves in a workshop- they can really free up a lot of energy to be there for other people in their work.
Its effective.!!!

When you give people space to focus on themselves and what they need, it can solve a lot of problems. It takes away their defenses. And I often say focus on what you can do something about and try and be light hearted and professional about the rest.

I use role reversal alot to help people develop empathy and insight. This helps with conflict and communication.

I don’t get people to ‘act things out’ like a psychodrama type setting it can alienate people – i use more of a kind of tapping in to what you feel in that role ( more Business Constellations type style)…it’s easier… more detached
I use Systemic Thinking from Family Systems Constellations thinking a lot in my work. This is a whole hour long conversation. Do you know about this idea of the morphogenetic field – Rupert Sheldrake?
My influences are around teaching people to explore their window of perception and how to externalise that, look at it, make changes and then re internalise.
These are thoughts off the top of my head.
Hope it makes sense.
Drama Therapy is really about embodiment and experiential learning.” Amanda Gifford.

TRAINING by Amanda Gifford Whats it about?


My product is a vast range of support, training and information about empowerment, creativity, change management and self mastery and how that can benefit sales and corporate teams and and I offer a range of skills that explore and apply that theme. I run individual therapy, coaching, workshops for individuals and groups from the Corporate sector as well as run a private practice in Johannesburg offering therapy to the public.

My Corporate training has a wide reach in the arena of confidence building, assertiveness training, personal mastery, emotional intelligence, innovation, thought leadership, conflict resolution, voice and public speaking training, stress management, business coaching around relationships, team building, creative facilitation, mindfulness and thought leadership.


Corporate Clients come to me for an update in skills, to build awareness in areas of their own personal development, to work through stress, to manage their time and choices better at work, to set goals, to look at work life balance, to communicate more effectively, to find out what their areas of development are and begin working in that direction.

I work with individuals at all levels of business. CEO’s, CFO’s, sales, government, teams, tele sales consultants, secretaries, innovators, entrepreneurs, heads of departments, team leaders, all levels of people in business helping them to “Sharpen the Saw” as Stephen Covey calls it.

My process is simple. I help people to get clear on where they are at now, then where they want to be and then I help them explore different creative skills to help them get to where they want to be.

That process uses a combination of therapy, coaching, systemic constellations, personal mastery, emotional intelligence, communication skills, conflict resolution, visioning, creativity, time management, stress management, confidence building and other soft skills as needed.

My product is for the public and for corporates who want to take stock of their situation and start to empower themselves and upgrade their skills to get themselves to a more dynamic place both within their personal life and then in their teams or business settings.

My Methodology is a mix of creative skills taken from 20 years in the change industry, 15 years in the creative arts therapy, experiential facilitation and psychology realm facilitating individuals to remove blocks from their lives and find the key to move forward.


There doesn’t seem to be one problem that my clients come in with. They could come to me because they are having a meltdown in their lives due to too many changes, or because they want to progress in their job but feel stuck and don’t know what to do to move forward. They need a place to reflect, get guidance, be supported in their changes and learn skills. They come to me because they want to be more professional in their lives, more confident, more creative, more present, more successful in their communications. They come to me because they want to build awareness, team support, need support to go to the next level of professionalism at work or to work on their confidence.


I worked with the legal team at ABSA in 2016 on Stress management and found the problem to be one-upmanship, too much ego, trying to be superior ( more clever than anyone else), not supporting one another, underlying hurtful and unsupportive communication and doing this in the most sophisticated way that it was hard for anyone to hold them accountable.  Even though this is part of the nature of law, they couldn’t see how they were hurting eachother. They needed an intervention so that they could begin to identify group dynamics and be aware of the impact of this on their team and make changes to create a more conscious team with more supportive communication.  ( Too many sharks in one tank! If you know the DISC Communication Method). My method of working with self awareness and then sharing where you are at with the group, brought immediate compassion and support, allowing the team to witness eachothers difficulties and learn to be more vulnerable instead of think that you have to always know it all.

I worked with the CEO’s, CFO’s and heads of Marketing and the sales team of VISA in 2016 in a Effective and Dynamic Communications 2 day workshop and the problem was a lack of awareness in empathy and how to manage their stress and frustrations. They needed help to come down to the ground a bit as they work in a “fictional, cyber money realm” and were a bit like traders on the stock exchange on a manic phase. They were an extremely dynamic team who needed insight into how to make their team more dynamic and how to get their already effective sales techniques to the next level. Sometimes in working with ‘high flying teams’ when they all get to share where they are at and what is going on for them, the team comes away from focusing on clients needs and they start listening to each other, this can create a powerful bonding experience for the group. This bonding makes it easier for them to talk to each other and it dissolves hierarchies, and communication flows easier dissolving barriers to sales.

I have worked with Heads of Transformation at ABSA on working with polishing communication skills and insights into leadership style and how to move forward as a team leader with greater insight and motivation.

I have worked with CFO’s at FNB on their public speaking skills and learning to bring more of themselves into their talks. I focused my training on helping them tell their own story and use that and shape that into a motivational speech which became a tool for branding themselves and being more comfortable with transparent leadership and leading from example. This brings much more freedom, spontaneity, interest and life into someones communication.

I have worked with people in the Innovation Department at SAB who ran into complications and conflict in the workplace and needed a place to think about how to solve that and move forward.

I have worked with people who are starting out a business and have lost a big client and don’t have insight as to why.

I have worked with politicians who want to improve their speeches.


My technique with coaching public speakers is to help them connect to their own authentic voice and figure out how to bring that forward more. This increases their alignment from their inner voice to their outer voice instead of just polishing the outside and not looking at the cause of the problem.

I had a client who was high up in the political scene who was involved in a controversy that cased him a lot of trauma. As a result he was suffering from PTSD and couldn’t speak without massive stress at a book launch that was coming up for him with his new book.  He came to see me for Voice Coaching and Stress Management and I helped him uncover a deep seated belief that allowed him to let go of trying to prove himself and be right! He had a successful book launch.

Another client who every time she spoke in public she got extremely anxious. We worked on childhood issues around trying to please her strict father and her anxiety reduced itself and she made major steps in all areas of her life being able to set goals more clearly, leave work when she needed to, and managed her time without trying t please everybody all the time. She summarized her 12 sessions of Personal Empowerment with me as a “massive success”!

My work with groups

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I have a facilitated a number of dynamic and not so dynamic sales teams making the main focus on looking at themselves as a starter and where they can begin to explore the awareness of their own lives and where they need to apply self empowerment and self care practices which automatically moves them to become more available as sales people in the workplace. I have found that there is a direct correlation between someone getting the space to work n themselves and their personal life and their performance at work. Once issues that are in their inner circle are more resolved they directly apply the skills to the workplace and their confidence improves, their enthusiasm for life increases, the quality of their communication is radically improved and overall things start moving in a positive direction.

I help them to explore steps to improve their lives and them apply it to their workplace. Once the awareness process and the goal setting is in place, we work with time management, confidence building, quality of voice, stress management and other skills to shift them into a new place.

I have watched one client after the other in the years of my practice, quickly move towards where they want to be once they have gone through a 2 – 4 day training with me or a personal mastery oriented therapy for corporates coaching programme.

I have run many Power Speaking groups which focus on improving Public Speaking and the main problems I see is that individuals don’t do the inner work to take the heat of the stage. They feel scared when they stand up on stage because all of their unacknowledged fears or secrets feel like they are being amplified when they stand up in front of groups, so I find that the more I encourage people to have a safe space to tell their own stories on stage, the more resilient they become as public speakers because they are not so afraid to be seen or be real on stage anymore and they gain about 50% of their energy back just by starting to be honest and real and then their spontaneity and general energy as a communicator improves vastly. I encourage people to “be themselves” more and speak about their own experiences and use their own stories as a way in to their presentations. People need help to let go of the rigid formula and explore more of their own uniqueness as a value. I can do this because of my training in Drama Therapy which uses techniques from the theatre and being on stage to help people build confidence and explore their voice and expression.


Improving Communication through Self Awareness

Improving Sales through Self Awareness and Personal Mastery

Aligning Inner Voice to Outer Voice

Freeing Up Inner Story which leads to changes in Outer world

Inside First

Your Unique Voice

Leaders who can tell their own story make more interesting speakers and leaders.

Unique Voice – Unique Leadership – Branding for Leaders

Developing Insight leads to Solutions

Sales Teams more dynamic with Personal Mastery/Self Care Time.

Great Leaders lead through their own story

Communication is more interesting when you connect with “I”

Take Control of Your Life

Space to Reflect

Change Your Inner System and your Outer System with benefit

Finding Your Power

Locating your Inner GPS

Looking through New Windows of Perception

Creative Facilitation Skills for facilitators and trainers

The power of the subconscious mind

Come and find your creative power.

For more details: email: or contact Amanda Gifford 078 499 6472



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Whatsapp Amanda on 078 499 6472 to join or for questions

We had a really wonderful Avatar Plasma Bed Workshop last month and we hope to see pictures of the new healing plasma beds or chairs soon. Thanks to everyone who participated. We will run another one soon. Willem and I are available to help you construct your beds or chairs in your home or office.

24 JUNE: 1pm for bring and share lunch for 2pm start: STAR UNIT WORKSHOP June is already here and the next workshop is June 24th 1 for 2pm start – 6pm at Pam Roux’s house 269-3 Woburn Circle in Chartwell. A Star unit is an energy device made from GANS and Coils. Whatsapp us to confirm:
Here is the Facebook Link:

Pam Roux should be running a free intro to GANS making in the morning. Just waiting for her to confirm but this is the best place to start if you are new. Please contact her to join.

9 JULY: 5pm ONLINE INTRO TO KESHE TECHNOLOGY 3 hour ONLINE WORKSHOP with Dr Rodrigo Vildosolo via on the Sunday the 9th of July 2017 at 5pm South Africa Time (UTC + 02) or 8am in Seattle ( Pacific Time Zone) THIS IS A GOOD BEGINNERS WORKSHOP: If you are new or interested please sign up and please RSVP. Let us know if you have a group watching and who is organising that. Thanks.

Here is a youtube interview with Dr Rodrigo with myself and Willem interviewing him. A lot of fun.

Dr Rodrigo Vildosola
Professional Summary
Reconstructive, plastic and general surgeon with 27 years of experience performing surgeries on trauma, critical care and aesthetic surgery patients. Extensive knowledge of complex lacerations, fractures, cardiothoracic surgery, trauma resuscitation. Seasoned medical professional who maintains composure and focus even in the most difficult and stressful circumstances.

He has been with the Keshe foundation since October 2015. His passion is medicine but he keeps up with all the other areas of the Keshe technology: agriculture, space, house applications and transportation. He has been actively teaching Keshe knowledge all over America. His moto is – pass the Keshe teachings to as many people as possible so that the knowledge cannot be taken away form us.

KESHE TECHNOLOGY ONLINE WORKSHOP With Rodrigo will be an introduction to the basics of the Keshe Technology with time for Q & A at the end.

1. ) Introduction to Plasma technology 2.) Keshe Technology in Medicine/ Health, Agriculture/Food, Car/ Transport/ Space and Home 3.) Q&A

When: Sunday the 9 July 2017 Where: 3 hour Online Workshop ( Time: Sunday 5pm – 8pm South African Time – Perhaps organise a group to gather around someone who has good wifi.

Cost: $50 or R664.00 ( depending on the Rand Dollar) All proceeds go to Ghana Spaceship Institute.

Email: with email address and proof of payment to book Banking Details: FNB BANKING DETAILS AMANDA GIFFORD Business Cheque account Number 62471627425.. FIRST NATIONAL BANK (FNB) – MELROSE ARCH Branch code 254405 REQUIREMENT: Strong Internet and an ability to download & use

You will be emailed a link to click on the time of workshop. The workshop will be recorded in case you have a problem getting online.

Kind regards,
Amanda and Willem | 078 499 6472 | 082 458 1031

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TEAM BUILDING: Amanda Gifford offers teams a number of different bespoke team building experiences. Please contact Amanda for the best team building experiences for your teams. email amanda{at} or whatsapp a message with your name and request 078 499 6472

FNB Team Building 2015
Blue Moon Communications Team Building – Innovation Playground 2016

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Team Building Image Theatre Games – Showing Emotions about the Job.



Private Practice ( Johannesburg)
Amanda Gifford, MA Psych. Counselling






TO BOOK A THERAPY SESSION whatsapp 078 499 6472 I am based at Naturally Yours Health Centre in Johannesburg. Cost per hour R800.
I am a South African who went overseas to study my Masters  and graduated from the California Institute of Integral Studies  in San Francisco with a Masters in Counselling Psychology majoring in Drama Therapy in 2004. I interned at acute inpatient setting overseas for chronic psychiatric illness including psychosis and schitzophrenia. I went on to run groups at a prison working with violent offenders for 2 years as well as working in an Alziemers unit in a hospital.

On my return to South Africa in 2004, I worked at a prison based training NGO called Khulisa where i wrote and trained programmes that i had learnt from overseas. I have worked at Life Line running trainings for staff, RHRU, ECHO, FNB, Standard Bank, Sharp Recovery Centre, mainly writing and training aswell as running therapy groups.

I went on to work in a variety of NGOS in SOuth Africa doing both trainings and therapy. My work ranges from individual therapy to corporate trainings.

I offer individual and group therapy influenced by the latest methods and ideas in therapy including my own ecceclic mix of drama therapy, psychodrama, developmental transformations, alchemy and family constellations for individuals, couples, families and groups, as well as quantum systems training for family constellations facilitators.

You can come and see me as an individual at my practice in Johannesburg. I have rooms in Oaklands and shared rooms in Bryanston, Johannesburg.

I also offer online Skype sessions and online groups for those not based in Johannesburg.

Here is some client feedback.

“Hi Amanda. The weekend had been a profound experience for me…Thank you for the experience. I am definitely interested in further training. Regards. Jeanne Oets – Clinical Psychologist “KZN May 2014

” Dear Amanda Thank you so much for your wise, sensitive, intuitive and compassionate facilitation of a very very special weekend. It felt like a real homecoming to this beautiful work and a privilege to journey with you,..I agree, the work was heart-opening and also healing. My own constellation was very profound and meaningful, and has continued ‘living’ since then- revealing new layers, insights, feelings and offering wonderful support.” Rene S KZN May 2014

“Participating, observing and reflecting of the constellations helped me to experience the healing power of working with systems. It is interesting to see and experience how strangers can connect with the pain, grief and joys of others in a constellation. To be part of the transition and emotional changes of others and myself has inspired me to learn more.” Lucinda.J. Clinical Psychologist May 2014 KZN

What is unique about my approach?

I believe that each person is able to tap into their own knowing to find solutions. My therapeutic approach engages tapping into the subconscious mind through the head, heart and body actively in the process and incorporates many years of training and experience in diverse fields from psychological and artistic process influenced by various transpersonal, cosmological and spiritual trainings.

At heart I am a transpersonal oriented thinker, using artistic methods to help individuals tap into their own knowing field whilse at the same time also helping them to see things from other peoples perspective.

I work with your thinking, your feeling and your body wisdom to find solutions that empower you in your life. I prefer to help you find your own inner advice and knowing and assist you in finding resources and solutions for yourself – something you often have within you but are unable to access since you are so deeply connected to the problem. In particular, I am able to assist you in shedding light on the recurring patterns that limit you, including those taken on from your family system and previous generations.


“Thank you so much Amanda! You are a truly remarkable woman. The experience was absolutely amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I have had a very challenging, emotional, unstable past year and I have not done any work on myself for a very long time. This experience was tremendously healing and opened me to positivity and hope once again. It was truly mind blowing to share so much with strangers and feel so safe and with no judgement. Thank you for making this experience possibly for me. The realisation, affirmation, love and acceptance that I received during this experience, It is a gift that I will treasure forever. .” Love Cindy 4th Feb 2014

Systemic Therapy and Family Constellations acknowledge that the human being does not exist in isolation. We are part of a bigger network of relationships of belonging to our families, our cultures, and even our nations. Sometimes no matter how hard we try, we just can’t seem to break away from our past or the patterning of our families and previous generations. By zooming out, and becoming aware of the bigger picture, it becomes easier to move forward in your own life with a new sense of freedom, resource and strength.

I am registered with the HPCSA and the Board of Healthcare Funders, so you can claim from your medical aid if your option covers psychologists.

To book a session email me at



WHATSAPP for session booking 078 499 6472 with your name.


1. Therapy Sessions with Amanda using Basic Counselling and Coaching Methodology, plus artistic and therapeutic methods including Expressive Arts Therapies, Drama Therapy methods for helping you with your life issues, areas that need change, personal exploration and Awakening aswell as Family Constellations to explore the themes of your life. Sessions available for individuals, couples, family sessions and more.

If you work with awareness around where you are at, you can bring greater depth of presence to your life. I offer weekly sessions in Johannesburg and via Skype for International or those outside of johannesburg.

Explore your story. Unlock your potential. Find Solutions. Leave behind Addictions.
Email me at
Or if you are in South Africa
Cell/Whatsapp to book a session 078 499 6472
Some Medical Aids like Discovery cover these sessions.

Coaching based/ Solutions Focused/Hypnotherapy Style Constellations Also Available for deep seated themes.

First Sessions: R1200 ( 90 minutes) R200 added if you are claiming from medical aid. Should be able to get full amount back from Medical Aid depending on which one it is.

Follow Ups: R800 ( 1 hour)

Can possibly be claimed with Discovery Health.

Phone or Whatapp with name to 078 499 6472 with the request for an appointment or PM me on Facebook.

HPCSA registered Medical Aid claims possible for some medical aid schemes like Discovery.
Payments via Paypal for overseas clients.
Email: To Book.


Dolphin Dance Retreat 4 – 9 October 2017 Mozambique

Dolphin Dance Retreat 4 – 9 October 2017 Mozambique

Halo Gaia Adventure Travel legally operates all Dolphin Scenic Tours under the “Transporte Maritimo Commercial de Trafego local de Passageiros” license issued to Malongane for commercial dolphin launches in the PPMR : Ponta do Ouro Partial Marine Reserve of Southern Mozambique

Open to the Public
4 – 9 October 2017 in Mozambique
Facilitated by Amanda, Willem and Courtney 

Cost: R5900

DOLPHIN DANCE RETREAT with Willem and Amanda


Bliss regenerates us. Come and experience the delicious bliss and ecstasy of the dolphins, the sea, the sand, the sun, raw cacao ( chocolate), creative community combined with the dance in a 5 day retreat in the paradise of Mozambique. Willem Smuts, Amanda Gifford and Courtney Ward will facilitate 5 days of dolphin encounters, ecstatic dance experiences, deep relaxation, play, reflection, alchemical cacao ( sacred chocolate ceremony) and celebration of a wonderful alchemical journey of personal transformation.

Come and enjoy the blissful dolphin energies which we can share through dance and creative play.

The themes that will run through the Retreat will be joy, creativity, play, sensuality, surrender to life, trance, ecstatic dance and the process of awakening.


Willem has 15 years of dance experience and has facilitated workshops locally and internationally for 10 years. He facilitated 8 Dolphin dance retreats in Mozambique and has been on the path of Awakening for 20 years. He has a passion for creative and inspirational group transformation work through Conscious Dancing and his work includes aspects of theatre and performance. He was a Founder member of a Corporate Theatre Production company staging plays and corporate plays across South Africa in the 90’s. Since then he has been immersed in the powerfully explorative world of movement and inner movement through Conscious dancing for the last fifteen years and most of it as a facilitator. He is a Cosmo Dance, Free Flow, Blissdance, and a Biodanza facilitator, using these modalities for Weekly classes, Workshops, Therapeutic Rehabilitation centres as well as Corporate Team Buildings Processes. Willem is also a holistic health coach specialising in allergies, chronic fatigue and general health. He uses quantum therapies consisting of Bicom biofeedback computer, NES scanner as well as reflexology and supplements. He has been in private practice in Bryanston for 16 years.

Contact details:
Cell phone: 0824581031


Amanda has a Masters in Psychology and is a HPCSA registered Drama Therapists in South Africa, having completed her Masters in Psych. Drama Therapy with a Transpersonal Approach at the California Institute of Integral Studies (see in San Francisco in 2003. She has 15 years of experience in the field of awakening, therapy, personal development work, innovation, transformation, change consultation and corporate training. She runs workshops and retreats with Willem Smuts using Cosmo Dance and Expressive Arts therapy processes in an alchemical way. She also runs Sacred Chocolate Cacao Ceremonies with Dance with Willem internationally. She has been on her own awakening journey for 20 years being a student of Ramthas School of Enlightenment and having grown up in a spiritual home has delved deep into the spiritual mysteries. She enjoys creativity and pioneering in the consciousness and transformation field. She draws from a wide various of thought innovation and leadership research. She is also a Systems Constellations facilitator and trainer. She has run workshops nationally and internationally including offering Executive Coaching, Communication, Voice, Leadership Training, Family Constellations, EQ Innovation, Personal Mastery and Business Constellations workshops. She has been in private practice for 10 years in Johannesburg.
Contact Details: Email:
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